Lesenhilfen - Birth record for Johann Friedrich Schmidt in Romhild

[Rstaskow]

I am researching the birth record of Johann Friedrich Schmidt in Romhild and believe this might be his record. His parents marriage record are listed as Johann Frederich Schmidt and Susanna Maria (I cannot decipher his last name.) Could someone please help me determine if this is the correct record and the details please. It appears his parents may have been married after his birth.
Birth record: http://www.archion.de/p/85dd7acce5/
Marriage record: http://www.archion.de/p/bba963b97b/

Kind regards, Rhonda

 

[eggi]

Baptism: Parents are Michael Friedrich Schmid (a soldier) and Margaretha Schneider
Marriage: Johann Friedrich Schmidt (a clerk) and Susanna Maria Kessel

So this seem to be two different couples.

 

[user722]

Herr Michael Friedrich Schmidt, Bürger und Handelsmann alhier …
und Jungfer Eva Margaretha Schneiderin …
were married here: http://www.archion.de/p/1c7c47eb8b/
on ♂︎ (=Dienstag) den 22 ten May ⟨1764⟩

 

[Rstaskow]

Thank you so much for your help. Though now I am more confused, Johann Friedrich Schmidt born in 1768 listed Johann Friedrich Schmidt as his father (no mother was listed) this was translated earlier on these pages for me. The father was also listed as a soldier, which Michael Friedrich Schmidt was, but not Johann Friedrich Schmidt who was a clerk. It also looks like Johann Friedrich and Michael Friedrich may have the same father, Nicolai. Was the name of the father confused possibly?
Here is the translation for the Johann Friedrich Schmidt marriage born around 1768-69
May
[Zeichen für] Dienstag, d[en] 14 tn

Herr Johann Friedrich Schmidt, Bürger und Mit-
glied der edlen Buchdrucker-Kunst, weyland Herrn
Johann Friedrich Schmidts, Hertzog[lich] Sächßi[schen] Lieutenants
bey der alhiesigen Land Compagnie alhier, see[lig] nach-
gelaßener eheleiblicher ältester Sohn, und Sie, Jungfer
Maria Magdalena Christiana Schmidtin, Meister
Johann Georg Schmidts, Bürgers und Schneiders hieselbsten
eheleibliche einige Tochter, sind 3 mal proclamiret, und [Zeichen für] Dienstag
post Domin[ica] Exaudi, den 14 tn May bey einem gehaltenen
öffentlichen Kirchgang copuliret worden. hor[a] 2 pomerid[iam]
Date of marriage, publicly in the church [in Römhild]: Tuesday, May 14, 1793, at 2 p.m.
after 3 announcements of marriage


Groom:
Johann Friedrich Schmidt, a citizen [in Römhild] and member of the noble book printer guild, the surviving legitimate eldest son
of the late Johann Friedrich Schmidt, a former Lieutenant of the Ducal Saxon Corps / Company at this place

Bride:
The maiden Maria Magdalena Christiana Schmidt, the only legitimate daughter of the citizen and master tailor at this place [Römhild] Johann Georg Schmidt

 

[eggi]

Nicolaus Schmidt, father of Johann Friedrich Schmidt: deceased before 1769, "Amtsdiener zu Ebersdorff" (clerk at Saalburg -Ebersdorf)
Nicolaus Schmidt, father of Michael Friedrich Schmidt: deceased before 1764, musician and member of the council in Gleicherwiesen (Römhild)

Not the same person ....

The marriage provided by user722 seem to be the parents of the Johann Friedrich born in 1767. The birth record states that the father was captain of the local militia, which he could be in addition to his normal professsion as "Handelsmann".

Here the birth of their first daughter:

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The father's profession reads as "Fähndrich bey der hiesigen Land-Compagnie, Handelsman und Bürgers allhier" (officer cadet at the local militia, merchant and citizen here).

So it could be, that the priest used the wrong name at the wedding of your Johann Friedrich Schmidt. The father probably should be Michael Friedrich Schmidt instead of Johann Friedrich Schmidt.

To be sure try to find other siblings and the death record of the father and mother, as well as records of other Schmidts in Römhild.

 

[Rstaskow]

Thank for your suggestions. So from my research, the additional children for Michael Friedrich Schmidt are:
Carl Friedrich Andreas Schmidt baptized on 24 Sep 1770 http://www.archion.de/p/aa389106be/
Frederica Schmidt baptized on 19 Jan 1772 http://www.archion.de/p/b9f6bd503c/
Also, I think I found the death of Michael Friedrich Schmidt - in July 1786 http://www.archion.de/p/c32acaacab/ The entry appears to have the same references to his military position.
I also found a death for Joh. Nicol. Schmidt, on 3 Feb 1759 (7). From the description, is this the father described above that is the father of Michael Friedrich Schmidt? http://www.archion.de/p/129ea6f974/
Any details from these entries would be much appreciated.

 

[KoenigAguar]

http://www.archion.de/p/aa389106be/
(insecurities in italics)
52) Hn. Michael Friedrich Schmidts, fähndrichs beÿ der hiesigen Landmiliz,
auch Kauff- und Handelsmans allhier, mit seiner Frau Ehegenoßin, Frau Eva
Margaretha, geb. Schneiderin, erzeügtes Söhnlein, Carl Friedrich Andreas,
wurde d. 23. h. gebohren, u. f. d. getaufft. Ir. H. Friedrich Andreas Flur-
schüz, Büchsenspanner beÿ Ihro Durchl. dem hier residirenden Prinzen
Christian Franz von Sachsen Coburg Saalfeldt

http://www.archion.de/p/b9f6bd503c/
1.) Hr. Michael Friedr. Schmidt, fändrichs unter dem allhiesigen Land-
Ausschuß, mit seinem Weibe Eva Marg. geb. Schneiderin erzeugtes
Töchterl. Sophia Elisabetha Friederica, kam auf diese Welt d.
18. u. wurde dd. Getaufft. T[aufzeuge] ward Jungfer Soph. Elisabetha
Friederica, H. Joh. Nickol[aus] Albers, Lieutenants unter dem
allhiesigen Land-Ausschuß Tochter

http://www.archion.de/p/c32acaacab/
32) H. Michael Friedr.Schmid, von Gleichewiesen bürdig, Herzogl. ____ Lieutenant beÿ der allhiesi-
gen Land-Compagnie, starb d. 16. huj. u. wurde dd. auf militarische Art beerdiget, nachdem
die wittib solches vorhero beÿ Durchl. Herrschaft heraus gebracht. Wegen großer Dürftigkeit
hat man der wittib die jura stolæ geschenkt, welches also keine folgen nach sich ziehen
Kann noch soll. Er war 35 jahre alt.

http://www.archion.de/p/129ea6f974/
does not belong in this family, as the name is Joh. Nickol. Sander, not Schmidt

 

[Rstaskow]

Thank you for your help and the transcription. I have been unable to find the widow's death so far but will continue to look.
However, I did find another Schmidt that appear to be related to this family.

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This is the death of Johanna Friederica, the daughter of Susana Rosina Friederica Schmidt, I believe Susanna is the 1st daughter of Michael Frederich Schmidt. If I could find any details and age of death Thank you.

 

[KoenigAguar]

23) Johanna Friderica, ein außer der Ehe erzeügtes Töchterlein
Susanna Rosina Friderica Schmidtin, starb den 20t Maÿ
und wurde den 22t ejusd. Abends in der Stille begraben.
war 9. Monat alt.

Johanna Friderica was the illegitimate daughter of Susanna Rosina Friderica, no father is mentioned

In the baptismal record on 29. Jul 1790 however, the father is said to be Joh. Jac. Gerbig, godmother was Sophia Elisab. Frieder. Schmid
http://www.archion.de/p/6ecb36303e/

18.) Joh. Friedericke, ein in unehren erzeugtes Töchterl. Susan. Rosin. Frieder.
Schmidin, wurde gebohren d. 27. Huj. und d.d. getauft. T.T. waren Sophia
Elisab. Frieder. Schmidin, u. Sophia Heidrichin. Zum vater wird angegeben
Joh. Jac. Gerbig, Verwalter in der T____ischen Stiftung in Nürnberg.

 

[Rstaskow]

Thank you so much for your help. As always, all the information provided is very helpful.

 

[Rstaskow]

Is this entry the birth record for Michael Frederich Schmidt, father Nicolas Schmid? Are there any other helpful detail I can glean from this entry? Am I correct that the birth date is 4 October 1721? Thank you.

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[Rstaskow]

Herr Michael Friedrich Schmidt, Bürger und Handelsmann alhier …
und Jungfer Eva Margaretha Schneiderin …
were married here: http://www.archion.de/p/1c7c47eb8b/
on ♂︎ (=Dienstag) den 22 ten May ⟨1764⟩

Am I correct that the father's name is Johann Valentine Schneider? Aside from his position as burger (citizen) what was his profession and was he alive at the time? I do not see the word "weyland" usually used for a deceased person?

Thank you.

 

[swanahilt]

Is this entry the birth record for Michael Frederich Schmidt, father Nicolas Schmid? Are there any other helpful detail I can glean from this entry? Am I correct that the birth date is 4 October 1721? Thank you.

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I don't see any baptisms here - only funerals!

Am I correct that the father's name is Johann Valentine Schneider? Aside from his position as burger (citizen) what was his profession and was he alive at the time? I do not see the word "weyland" usually used for a deceased person?

Thank you.

It says: 12) Herr Michael Friedrich Schmidt, Bürger und Handelsmann
alhier, Weyland Nicolai Schmidts, Musici wie auch Mitnachtbars
und Zwölfferß zu Gleicherwiesen, seeligen nachgelaßnen ehe-
leiblicher 4ter Sohn, und die Jungfer Eva Margareta
Schneiderin, Herrn Johann Valentin Schneiders Bürgers und
Handelsmanns hierselbsten, seel. nachgelaßene eheleibliche
eintzige Tochter, sind 3. mal proclamiret, und [sign for ...] den 22t. May
post Domin: Cantate bey einem gehaltenen Solemnen Kirchgang
allhier öffentlich copuliret worden.

Herr Michael Friedrich Schmidt was a citizen and trader/merchant, the 4th legitimate son of the deceased musician Nicolaus Schmidt. Nicolaus Schmidt additionally had two social functions: Mitnachbar and Zwölfer. I'm not familiar with this region, so some specialists would be needed to explain those. I'm only guessing: the Zwölfer might be a member of the local council. For Mitnachbar, I looked up Wikipedia but that was not very helpful:

Mitnachbar – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

 

[Rstaskow]

Thank you so much for your help.