Uengershausen (Würzburg) records

Thank you both for taking the time to reply.

- depending on where you look, Rosina's family name is listed as Dörr, Dürr, Derr, Dorr, etc etc. I will update my records though to reflect Dürr now.
I believe her and her family were based around Uengershausen for some time based on good amounts of research done by others.

- anything regarding Sebastian and Rosina after their boat ride I am almost 100% certain of, thanks to working on this for the past few years and help (including stealing the GENCOM files) from various historical societies.

- Sebastian in certain reports is said to have been born in Baden-Württemberg which unfortunately is a rather large area. This may be false. Looking at other people's work on Ancestry shows that none of them have any sources for any data concerning Sebastian (and his brother Michael) regarding their previous lives in Germany. One woman who I reached out to said she believes the family has lineage back to Switzerland.

- Sebastian's last name on the 1753 immigration register in Philadelphia was written "Werlein". As that is the oldest source document I have, that is the name I went with. We all became Werley(s) after that, heh.

- Many family trees show Sebastian's mother as Catherine Schatz but then proceed to list her age as 8 or 12 years old when she gave birth to Sebastian. With no actual source material to back this up, how do you believe it? I get really upset by this.

So that is what I am working on now, especially in light of this:

"A descendant has come forward with the original double Taufschein for Sebastian Werley and his wife, Rosina Barbara Dürr (Derr), prepared in 1753 by their Lutheran pastor prior to their emigration. From this document we learn that the Werleys were not French Huguenots, as erroneously claimed in the 1884 county history, but their origins have been traced to the village of Uengershausen in Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), now part of Northern Bavaria. In preparing this rare double Taufschein the parish minister included prayers for the young couple on their journey and in the New World."

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I would like to apologize - I get really excited when people talk directly to me on this subject and then I have a tendency to spout off tons of stuff in return.
 
scottwerley schrieb:
Thank you both for taking the time to reply.

- depending on where you look, Rosina's family name is listed as Dörr, Dürr, Derr, Dorr, etc etc. I will update my records though to reflect Dürr now.
I believe her and her family were based around Uengershausen for some time based on good amounts of research done by others.

- anything regarding Sebastian and Rosina after their boat ride I am almost 100% certain of, thanks to working on this for the past few years and help (including stealing the GENCOM files) from various historical societies.

- Sebastian in certain reports is said to have been born in Baden-Württemberg which unfortunately is a rather large area. This may be false. Looking at other people's work on Ancestry shows that none of them have any sources for any data concerning Sebastian (and his brother Michael) regarding their previous lives in Germany. One woman who I reached out to said she believes the family has lineage back to Switzerland.

- Sebastian's last name on the 1753 immigration register in Philadelphia was written "Werlein". As that is the oldest source document I have, that is the name I went with. We all became Werley(s) after that, heh.

- Many family trees show Sebastian's mother as Catherine Schatz but then proceed to list her age as 8 or 12 years old when she gave birth to Sebastian. With no actual source material to back this up, how do you believe it? I get really upset by this.

So that is what I am working on now, especially in light of this:

"A descendant has come forward with the original double Taufschein for Sebastian Werley and his wife, Rosina Barbara Dürr (Derr), prepared in 1753 by their Lutheran pastor prior to their emigration. From this document we learn that the Werleys were not French Huguenots, as erroneously claimed in the 1884 county history, but their origins have been traced to the village of Uengershausen in Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), now part of Northern Bavaria. In preparing this rare double Taufschein the parish minister included prayers for the young couple on their journey and in the New World."

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I would like to apologize - I get really excited when people talk directly to me on this subject and then I have a tendency to spout off tons of stuff in return.
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


You are very welcome. I think the following steps will lead you to new hints:

- Sebastian: supposedly born on Nov 9th 1728 in Uengershausen
- Rosina: supposedly born on Nov 28th 1727 in Uengershausen.

--> church book: https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/?no_cache=1&type=churchRegister&uid=169376

Unfortunately, the scan quality of that particular is almost as awful as the writing in it. Still, give it a try looking for baptisms of the years 1727 and 1728. This book compiles three villages which are all next to each other: Uengershausen, Geroldshausen and Reichenberg. The family name "Dürr" can be found in all of them during that time as well as another neighbor village named Albertshausen. That's why I'm almost certain her original name is "Dürr".

As a hint where to find 1727 and 1728 in that book: The year 1726 is on Archion image 140, the year 1731 on Archion image 157. So you only have to check out the Archion images from 141 to 156. Unfortunately, I currently don't have a pass, otherwise I would have had a look myself, too. I got this info from pages I saved when I had a pass.


- The wedding supposedly took place in 1751.
--> churchbook: https://www.archion.de/de/viewer/?no_cache=1&type=churchRegister&uid=169379

1751 should be found between Archion images 03 and 09. Archion image 02 is the index, Archion image 10 is the year 1758.



That original double Taufschein sounds very interesting! Does this piece of paper from 1753 really still exists? :)

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a message, too.
 
- How did you know so quickly that they were married in 1751? I actually had heard prior that it was 1752. Thank you.

So I think I found both baptisms but I really cannot read the wedding pages for 1751 (or 1752).

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qJLskVJW5VWquW5t8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CmmVCggA6Q5rp5yk6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/9MdkxSyky3N12ppV8

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I am really upset at the fact there are all these people with family trees made on Ancestry who have obviously copied each other and have wrong info, usually based on no sources. If they do have a source, it is just someone with a similar name from the same country who may have lived around a certain time. For example, tons of trees have Sebastian like this:

Birth 9 Nov 1728 Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Marriage 1752 Uengershausen, Würzburg, Bayern, Germany
Residence 1798 Pennsylvania, USA
Death 1808 Weisenberg, Lehigh, Pennsylvania, USA
Father JOHANN MICHAEL Worline (1713-1802)
Mother CATHERINE Schatz (1716-1803)
Spouse Rosina Barbara Derr (1727-1772)

 
1727
Rosina Barbara, Sigmundt Dürren
inwohners allhier Töchterlein wardt
gebohren den 28 9br (= Novembris) und den
29. dito getaufft, versprochen hat es
Rosina Barbara, Melchior Pfeiffers
auch inwohners alhier ledige Tochter.

Child: Rosina Barbara Dürr, born 1728-11-28, baptized 1728-11-29
Father: Sigmundt Dürr, living in Uengershausen
Godmother: Rosina Barbara Pfeiffer, daughter of Melchior Pfeiffer in Uengershausen

There is no marriage Werlein/Wörrlein - Dürr between 1747 and 1754.
There is no birth Werlein in 1728.
 
http://www.archion.de/p/aed310830e/

1749
8. Dorothea Werlein des weyland Conradt Werleins
Bürgers und Bauers allhier gewesene Frau ist den
1ten Mai in der Nacht geschwind doch seelig verstorben
und den folgenden Tag zur Erde bestattet worden.
Aet(atis) 56 weniger 22 Wochen 3 Tag.

Dorothea Werlein, widow of Conradt Werlein (farmer in Uengershausen) died 1749-5-1, was buried 1749-5-2.
Her age was 56 years minus 22 weeks and 3 days.


http://www.archion.de/p/c5f3bf4bfd/

1749
5.) Conradt Werlein weyland Bürger und Bauer
allhier ist an einer Geschwulst den 13ten April
seelig verschieden und den folgenden Tag
beerdiget worden. Aet. 72 weniger 10 Wochen.

Conradt Werlein, farmer in Uengershausen, died of cancer 1749-4-13, was buried 1749-4-14, age 72 years minus 10 weeks.


http://www.archion.de/p/ed862f28de/

1745
1.) Hanß Sigmund Dürr, bürger(licher) Innwohner bezahlte die Schuld der
Natur den 7ten Mertz und wurde folgenden Tages mit Christ(licher)
Ceremonien zu seiner Grabes Ruhe gebracht: aet(atis) 57 Jahr.

Hans Sigmund Dürr died 1745-3-7, was buried 1745-3-8, age 57 years.


http://www.archion.de/p/0b4f9566cd/

1757
Margaretha Sigmunds Dürrens see(lig) Wittib starb
d. 23ten Martii u. wurde tags hernach
Xst(lich) bestattet.

Margaretha, widow of Sigmund Dürr, died 1757-3-23, was buried 1757-3-24.
 
http://www.archion.de/p/e6cb15d268/

1747
6.) Johannes des Johann Michell Werleins,
Bürgers und Musicanten allhier
und seiner Frauen Catharina einer
gebohrenen Schäzlein aus Steinbach
Söhnlein ist den 16ten Novembr(is) Nachts
gebohren und den 18ten Novembr(is) drauf
getaufft worden, der TauffPath war
Johannes Hirschlag Bürger und Bauer
allhier.

Child: Johannes Werlein, born 1747-11-16 (died 1749-12-13), baptized 1747-11-18.
Father: Johann Michell Werlein, musician in Uengershausen.
Mother: Catharina nee Schäzlein from Steinbach (Which? - There are many!)
Godfather: Johannes Hirschlag, farmer in Uengershausen.


http://www.archion.de/p/f621b489b4/

1749
8.) Johann Georg des Johann Michell Werleins Bürgers
und Spielmanns allhier und seiner Frauen Catharina
einer gebohrnen Schäzlin von Steinbach Söhnlein
ist den 16. Aug. früh Morgens gebohren und den
15ten Aug. darauf getaufft worden. Versprochen
hat es Johann Georg Stahl des Sebastian Stahls
Bürgers und Bauers allhier einiger annoch lediger Sohn.

Same parents;
Child: Johann Georg, born 1749-8-16, baptized 1749-8-15 (so!).
Godfather: Johann Georg Stahl, son of Sebastian Stahl (farmer in Uengershausen)


http://www.archion.de/p/79629af7b9/

1750
8.) Barbara des Johann Michell Werleins Bürgers
und Bauers allhier und seiner Frauen Catharina
einer gebohrnen Schätzlin von Steinbach
Töchterlein ist den 13ten Novembr(is) gebohren
und folgenden Tags zum heilsamen Bath der
Wiedergeburth gebracht worden. Die Pathen-
Stelle vertrath Barbara Hirschlagin, des
Hannß Hirschlags Bürgers und Bauers allhier
älteste ledige Tochter.

Same parents, father now farmer (not musician).
Godmother: Barbara, daughter of Hannß Hirschlag (farmer in Uengershausen).


http://www.archion.de/p/78e3431701/

1752
6.) Andreas, Johann Michell Werleins Bürgers und Bauers
allhier und seiner Frau Catharina einer gebohrnen
Schäzlin von Steinbach Söhnlein ist den 30ten Octobr(is)
früh gegen 4 Uhr gebohren und den folgenden Tag
getaufft worden. Der Taufzeug war Andreas
Sachs des Georg Sachsens bürger(lichen) Inwohners in Lindfluhr
zweyter lediger Sohn.

Godfather: Andreas Sachs, son of Georg Sachs in Lindflur.
 
Many thanks to Franz for all your help! :) The "Steinbach" you've mentioned is very likely Steinbach near Unteraltertheim ... I came across the "Schätzlein" family name in that area before several times.


Sebastian Werlein's baptism has been posted by Scott actually:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=QVA1Rl9PRnZFQnJhemFMaTBpbVFKQ0xFcktWSGF3

Sebastian [last name has been abbreviated], son of Conradt Werlein [last name has been abbreviated], resident of Uengershausen, was born on November 9th, 1728 [you cut off the year of this entry, but I guess you looked for 1728 after my hint :)] and baptized on the 20th. Godfather: Bastian Stahl, resident of Uengershausen.


scottwerley schrieb:
- How did you know so quickly that they were married in 1751? I actually had heard prior that it was 1752. Thank you.


I am really upset at the fact there are all these people with family trees made on Ancestry who have obviously copied each other and have wrong info, usually based on no sources. If they do have a source, it is just someone with a similar name from the same country who may have lived around a certain time. For example, tons of trees have Sebastian like this:
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


I got the wedding year from Find a Grave: https://de.findagrave.com/memorial/156791498/sebastian-werley

However, there is no Werlein / Werrlein / Wörrlein wedding on the page you sent. Maybe this info is not correct. Since you mentioned 1752, are there any more marriages from that year in that church book?

And I know how you feel about Ancestry ... it happened to me before as well. I even contacted some people with the correct information, but only few replied. And even fewer actually corrected their entries.
 
PS I just sent you a private message with further info about the town of Uengershausen and my connection to the Dürr family Scott. Have a look at the "Nachrichten" resp. messages section. :)
 
Thank you again, Matsuyama, for reaching out. I will speak to you more via email directly.

Franz_Ridler, your translations have been wonderful. Thank you for spending your time doing this, I am so happy.

I am going to be the only one on Ancestry with the actual true parents of Sebastian listed.

- Scott
 
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