Can anyone pls find more info about my german ancestor weaver Anthoni Dedeken. He moved to Bergen in Norway in ca. 1700.

[ErikGustavsen]

Hi, I am from Norway and have found out that I have an ancestor from Buxtehude in Germany, but I have zero experience with German archives so I hope that someone here can help me.
My ancestor Anna/Anne Elisabeth/Lisbeth Anthonidaughter/Anthoniusdaughter Detchen/Dedeken/Dedechen married a baker Paul/Povel Jetmundsen in Bergen in Norway in 19.07.1733. She has a sister called Maren. Anna and Paul got 4 children: Gierdt born 1733, Peter born 1735, Antoni born 1738 and Birte Elisabeth in 1742. Many of their godparents are weavers and also from Germany, for instance are there some godparents named Kröger who comes from Lüneburg and some named Schriver who comes from Bremen.
Anna Elisabeth and Maren is most likely born in Germany, and probably in Buxtehude where their father Anthoni Dedeken is born. Anna Elisabeth dies in 1785 in Bergen 90 years old. This means she is most likely born around ca. 1695. Anyway their father Antoni Dedeken got citizenship in Bergen in 25.08.1701 as a weaver. The birthplace is registered as Buxtehude. There are multiple records regarding Anna Elisabeth and her children in Bergen later. However I can only find the one citizenchip record of Antoni Dedeken. So I do not know who his wife and the mother of Anna Elisabeth and Maren is. I also don’t know when Anthoni is born.
So I really hope that some of you can help me find some more information about this family in Germany. Who is Anthoni Dedekens wife and who is his parents? And can someone find Anna Elisabeths baptism. And in general, I would love every bit of info about this family. It would mean a lot

 

[vnagel2004]

Good morning to Norway and welcome to the forum at Archion.

Bad news upfront: at this very point in time there are no church registers for Buxtehude online available at Archion.

Please see here:

Kirchenkreis Buxtehude

www.archion.de

Then some more general information:
church registers for Buxtehude start for birth/baptisms and for marriages in 1654, whereas death/burials are only available since 1708
(So if there really is an entry around 1680 or earlier for your Dedecke in Buxtehude, church registers may be able to provide it.)

Anyway there is a so-called online Ortsfamilienbuch for Buxtehude availabe

Online Ortsfamilienbuch Buxtehude

ofb.genealogy.net

However, the family name Dedecke or any variation thereof, regardless if the name starts with a "d" or even a "t" does not appear

Ortsfamilienbuch Buxtehude

ofb.genealogy.net

Ortsfamilienbuch Buxtehude

ofb.genealogy.net

But, you should directly contact the group of people working on that online family book since it's still work in progress / "under construction".

On the right side of the website you see a section labelled "Kontakt" and then a link in blue "AG Buxtehude".
Clicking on it provides their email address.

In case there is any chance to be of help, these people will provide the desired help to you.

Good luck, Vera

 

[ErikGustavsen]

Thank you. And good morning to you too.
I have seen that the name Dedeken is written as Dedeken, Dedechen, Didicken, Detchens, Dedichen, Dedekens and with even other variations in Norway. It’s just that Dedeken and Detchens is the ones used for the people who I know is my ancestors, Anna Elisabeth and Anthoni. Since the name also probably could be a little bit wrongly interpreted because of a language barrier, I guess the name could even be more different. So in the link you provided it actually seems like there is a family with that surname. Wouldn’t for example Deetjens, Deetjen, Detjens, Detjen and Detkens be reasonable name alternatives for Detchens? (Anna Elisabeth is noted once as “Anna Elisabeth Antonisdatter Detchens”, while the father is noted the one time as “Anthoni Dedekens”. So they did write the name different.)
After some more thinking, I suppose Anna Elisabeth and Maren doesn’t need to be born in Buxtehude, all though it is reasonable. The record we have is that the family comes from Germany, and only that Anthoni himself is born in Buxtehude. This could mean that Anthoni for example travelled to Hamburg and became a weaver, and then married and got Anna Elisabeth and Maren. But it would still be reasonable to think that Anthoni and his wife married in Buxtehude in ca. 1690 and got their children there, unfortunately we don’t know the wife’s/mother’s name. So I understand that this is a difficult question. So I will try to contact the site you linked

 

[vnagel2004]

You're welcome.

Deetjen or the like may be worth to consider as well.

But whatever it takes -as far as I understand it- the most definite hint you have is for Anton / Antonius.
So in an initial step I'd seriously suggest that you concentrate the efforts on finding him - may be his baptism in Buxtehude.

All of these family names / name variations are present in the 17. Century in that northern area of Germany, the names are not seldom and widely spread, and even the occupation weaver is quite common.

Again please contact the group.

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

bei Geni findet sich der folgende Eintrag, wobei die Namen und Daten der Anfrage entsprechen?

Anna Elisabeth Antonidatter Dedeken (1695 - 1785) - Genealogy

Es werden als Eltern Anton Gunther und Esther (Hansen) Gunther genannt. Die übrigen Angaben sind seltsam und aneinander gereiht.

Im OFB Buxtehude findet sich der FN Gunther allerdings nicht.

Möglicherweise findet hier jemand einen Anhaltspunkt?

Es handelt sich lediglich um einen Versuch, etwas zur Klärung beizutragen.

LG

 

[ErikGustavsen]

Hi @Anne23 . I saw that on Geni too. But it is wrong. Anton Gunther and Esther Hansen Frörup do get a child named Anna Elisabeth, but this Anna does not marry Paul Jetmundsen, and is not my ancestor. So Anton Gunther and Esther is the parents of another Anna Elisabeth who is born ca. 1710 in Bergen (not Buxtehude). As you can see, none of the parents are named Dedeken. However “my” Anna Elisabeth is named Detchen/Dedeken, never Gunther or Frörup. And there is no connection between these families. However there are big connections to this Anthoni Dedekens who is born in Buxtehude. And Anna Elisabeth is most definitely Anthoni Dedekens daughter.

 

[vnagel2004]

I had a quick look-up for "Dedecke" / "Deetjen" in combination with Buxtehude, time restriction 1600 to 1720, in the holdings of a couple of Archives in Lower Saxony Germany - here's the link to their database

Arcinsys Einfache Suche

www.arcinsys.niedersachsen.de

..... not really successful so far, but may be you want to do some research there as well.

 

[ErikGustavsen]

Hi, I was in contact with the site you mentioned @vnagel2004 and it seems as they probably found Anthoni Dedekens baptism. Thank you very much for this help

Additionally I have found out that Anthon moved to Altona in Hamburg very soon after he got his citizenship in ca. 1702. And I also found that his wife most likely is named Ingeborg Michelsdaughter. Can anyone pls see if they find some information about them here from the year 1702 pls.

 

[vnagel2004]

@ErikGustavsen

Please provide the exact(!) details for Anton's birth / baptism since that is necessary as profound basis for any further research.

Next question: where did you find that his wife most likely is named Ingeborg Michelsdotter / Michaelis?

Thanks in advance, Vera

 

[ErikGustavsen]

He said Anthon Deetkens was born 14.02.1674 (in Buxtehude). He also found multiple of his siblings.

I strongly believe that his wife’s name is Ingeborg Michelsdatter(daughter = daughter of Michel), due to some more general reaserch in the Norweagian archive. She is for example called a weaver’s wife in a Norwegian source, which fits well with Anthony being a weaver. Additionally I did some more research of Anna Elisabeth’s children’s godfathers. And I found out that some of them are in close family of this Ingeborg Michelsdatter. Also she has a mother called Maren. This fits very well with Anna Elisabeth having a sister called Maren (she was named after her grandmother). Lastly, there are very few other candidates who could be her mother, and I would say close to none other good candidates. So I am very certain that she is their mother.
This Ingeborg Michelsdatter is Norweagian. However Anthoni and Ingeborg did not marry each other in Bergen. Could this mean they married in Germany? They Could also have married somewhere else though. I don’t know where.

The source which says Antoni moved to Altona did not specify if Ingeborg and the children did as well. However there are zero sources showing that Anthon moved back to Bergen. We know on the other hand that Anna Elisabeth moved back or stayed in Bergen all along (because she has children there). We haven’t found Maren and Anna Elisabeth’s baptism. So they could theoretically be born in Altona in ca. 1702/1703/1704/1705. But it is maybe more responsible that they are born somewhere else,

I hope this helps. I understand if you can’t find anything. I am asking difficult questions, I know.

 

[vnagel2004]

Thanks.

You're not asking difficult questions at all, but cities like Altona were already so huge at the end of 17. Century / respectively the beginning of the 18. Century that one can easily get totally lost, if research isn't based on exact (as possible) data.

Anyway -as a starting point for your further research within German church registers- there is one major church in Altona in those days and their church registers have name indexes. The name of this church is Sankt Trinitatis.

So you may want to look at these indexes and see whether you find a marriage record listed in this index and/or baptism records for the two girls you're looking for.
The indexes are sorted alphabetically.

Character "D" marriages 1677-1765 starts here

Viewer

www.archion.de

Character "D" baptisms 1700-1763 starts here

Viewer

www.archion.de

You're welcome.

 

[ErikGustavsen]

Oh, I was going to check it out now, but I can’t check it out without buying a pass it seems like. Since the only thing I was going to check was if Anthon Deetkens and Ingeborg Michelsdatter was married there in ca. 1700 and got their children there at the same time (and I won’t use it for anything more), I don’t think I want to pay for just some minutes of use. Additionally, if it is in german I would have a hard time reading anything, besides the names. Isn’t there any other way to check the books you linked for free?

 

[vnagel2004]

Isn’t there any other way to check the books you linked for free?

I am sorry, but no. Didn‘t you read the very basics about Archion and their offerings before joining the forum?

Archion does not grant access to the online available church registers at this website for free.

Researchers from all parts of this planet manage to do research in these church registers. That certainly will also hold true for you.
For record text details -beyond names- forum members kindly provide detailed reading aid upon request for free.

Anyway, the records you‘re looking for are not listed in the church register indexes as linked above.

I also checked some other Hamburg churches - all to no avail.

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You should perhaps consider to contact the non-profit genealogical society in Hamburg.

Genealogische Gesellschaft Hamburg

Website and contact data may be found here

Genealogische Gesellschaft Hamburg e.V.

Die Genealogische Gesellschaft Hamburg e.V., der Verein für Familienforschung in Hamburg und Norddeutschland.

gghhev.de

Good luck for your research.