Help for mother with different names?

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Tiejulle

I’m seeking help from you skilled genealogists. I’m from Denmark and not very good at German, so I’m having difficulty reading and correctly understanding the German church records.
In my family, a man named Hermann Heinrich Osterkrüger marries Henriette in Bega, Lippe, on December 16th, 1827. In January 1827, he has a daughter, Friederiche Dorthea Henriette, in Bega with Friederiche Auguste Mäertens. In December 1829, he has a son, Johan Berend Friedrich Christoph, also with Friederiche Auguste Mäertens. In December 1832, this time in Kappel, he has a daughter, Ernestine Wilhemine Lovise, with Jette Mäertens. Then still in Kappel, in 1835, he has another daughter, Vilhemine Scharsine Amalia? with Henriette, née Mäertens. Two more children follow, one with the mother listed as Jette and the other as Henriette.
My question is whether these different names for the mother actually refer to the same woman, and if so, how it is possible that she is registered under such different names? I also haven’t been able to find a birth record for this woman—or these women—but I believe Hermann’s wife was born around 1803. Is there anyone who can help me?
 
Good morning.

Henriette is a diminutive form of: Henrike

And Jette is a shortened form of Henriette and also a diminutive form of: Henrike

For further details please see here - especially the chapter „Varianten / variations“

Henrike – Wikipedia

de.m.wikipedia.org de.m.wikipedia.org

Hope the help.
 
Hallo,

für den Anfang der Suche:

der Heiratseintrag des Hermann Heinrich Osterkrüger mit Henriette, Tochter des verstorbenen Friedrich August Märtens:

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und der Taufeintrag:

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Man müsste nun die anderen Einträge vergleichen, ob es sich hier um einen Fehler beim Eintrag handelt.

LG
 
Thank you very much. I had the idea myself that Jette might be a short form of Henriette, but in the Danish church records there is a strong emphasis on recording individuals' full names, and I don't know if that's also the case in the German church records.
I still find it strange that both Henriette née Mäertens and Friederiche Auguste Mäertens are mentioned, somewhat interchangeably, in connection with the births of the children. Because I cannot find her baptism, I find it hard to compare the information. I wish I could find this woman's birth record to see if that would shed some light on the varying use of names.
 
Did you already find her (Henriette née Mäertens) death record?

If so, please provide a Permalink to that record.

Thanks.
 
"Unfortunately, I don't have a link. I've really hit a dead end with this branch of the family.
On another genealogy site, it says that Hermann Heinrich Osterkrüger died on February 26, 1851, in Grossenmarpe, Blomberg, Lippe, Germany, and that his wife died 9 years later in 1860.
But they don't reference any source, so I have no idea if it's accurate."
 
lt. Heiratsurkunde 677/1884, Standesamt Dortmund, am 22.12.1884

Friedrich Wilhelm Hagedorn mit Wilhelmine Karoline, verwitwete Wilke, geborene Osterkrüger

Vater der Braut: Hermann Heinrich Osterkrüger, verstorben in Grossenmarpe
Mutter der Braut: Henriette, geborene Märtens, wohnhaft zuletzt zu Jütland und dort verstorben!!! (last residing in Jutland and already -say prior to December 22, 1884 - deceased there!!)


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Thank you so much. Although I am very curious about Henriette Mäertens, all information about the family is interesting and something I really appreciate
 
Thank you for the reference to Henriette's death in Jutland. I’ve also read about it on another genealogy site, and I’ve been searching for a few weeks now in the Danish church records, but I haven’t been lucky enough to find the right parish yet—though I’m still looking. At some point, she has to turn up.

There too, she is referred to as Henriette and not Friederiche Augusta, as she is with two of her children. That’s why I’m thinking her birth might shed some light on these different names.
 
Tiejulle schrieb:
Although I am very curious about Henriette Mäertens,
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....

The death record of Henriette Märtens is really important to find because it should provide her age at death and also her place of birth.
"Not just nice to have..."

That her father is listed as a former teacher in Leopoldshöhe in Henriette's marriage record, doesn't tell or mean anything with regard to were his children, incl. Henriette, were born.

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Here's the birth/baptism record of Hermann Heinrich Osterkrüger

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1801 an elder brother of Hermann Heinrich

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1799 another elder brother of Hermann Heinrich

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1796 elder twin brothers of Hermann Heinrich and from this record you learn that Osterkrüger isn't the family name under which Hermann Heinrich's father was born.
Instead he "adopted" / "inherited" the family name "Osterkrüger" from his wife who's maiden name/ birth name is Osterkrüger
The family name under which Hermann Heinrich's father was born is: Nolte

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This naming system is called: Genanntname / Vulgoname / Hofname in Germany. (English: AKA name - also known as name)
More about it may be found here: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genanntname

(Between 1784 and 1796 there are most likely additional births of other elder siblings of Hermann Heinrich.)

1784, no. 19 marriage of Hermann Heinrich's parents

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Thank you so much. It’s incredible what you are able to uncover. I’ll continue searching for Henriette’s death in Jutland, and when I’ve found it, I hope it can help lead to finding her birth in here.
Thank you for all your time.
Best regards,
Tiejulle
 
I have now found Henriette's death. She died in Vindblæs parish in Jutland on March 14, 1860. At that time, she lived with her son Fritz Osterkryger and son-in-law Heinrich Alberth. She is only registered as Henriette Osterkryger. It is stated that she was born in Bega, Lippe and that she died at the age of 57. There is no birthdate. I have tried to link to the page, if that is any help.
https://arkivalieronline.rigsarkivet.dk/da/billedviser?bsid=172284#172284,28930209
 
But if that is a brother then Henriette cannot have been born in 1803, but of cause it is just stated, that she is 57, when she dies.
 
Hallo,

ich gebe folgenden Eintrag zur Prüfung:

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Konfirmation 1818-1819, Anna Maria Dorth. Henr. Märtens v Leopoldsthal 24. Dez 1804. ...
Das Kleingeschriebene kann ich nicht sicher lesen, aber Henriette und Leopoldsthal könnte mit etwas Glück passen.

LG
 
Hallo,

ich gebe es in einfacher Form an:

Kind: Anna Maria Dorothea Henriette

Eltern: Friedrich August Adolph Mertens aus Bega, Anna Maria Dorothea Henriette Lobbeken ? aus Istrup, Amt Blomberg,
Schulmeister, Leopoldsthal.

Geburt: 24. Taufe 30. Dezemeber 1804

LG
 
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